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I want to make the subcategories more standardized. Some of them are called "Sessha and Massha of X shrine" in various capitalizations. I think we should harmonize the names of the subcategories a bit. Maybe either rename it to Category:Sessha and Massha or rename the categories to "Setsumatsusha of X Shrine". My understanding is that they are effectively one thing now, and we do not need to distinguish between the two. Although Sessha have a link to the main shrine deity, and Massha are unlinked deities enshrined at the shrine due to often widespread popularity. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 22:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional categories to work on this for. Pardon the ridiculous size.
list of categories
  1. Category:Auxiliary and subsidiary shrines of Kushida Shrine
  2. Category:Auxiliary shrine of Kasuga-taisha
  3. Category:Betsuguu, Sessha and Massha (Atsuta Shrine)
  4. Category:Ise Subshrines
  5. Category:Sessha and Massha (Iyahiko-jinja)
  6. Category:Sessha and Massha (Kamigamo-jinja)
  7. Category:Sessha and Massha (Kashii-gū)
  8. Category:Sessha and Massha (Kashima-jingu)
  9. Category:Sessha and Massha (Katori-jingu)
  10. Category:Sessha and Massha (Kibitsuhiko-jinja)
  11. Category:Sessha and Massha (Matsunoo-taisha)
  12. Category:Sessha and Massha (Mishima-taisha)
  13. Category:Sessha and Massha (Nakayama-jinja)
  14. Category:Sessha and Massha (Sengen-taisha)
  15. Category:Sessha and Massha (Shiogama-jinja)
  16. Category:Sessha and Massha (Takebe-taisha)
  17. Category:Sessha and Massha (Tsukubasan-jinja)
  18. Category:Sessha and massha of Aekuni-jinja
  19. Category:Sessha and massha of Awaga-jinja
  20. Category:Sessha and massha of Dazaifu Tenman-gū
  21. Category:Sessha and massha of Funabashi-daijingū
  22. Category:Sessha and Massha of Fushimi Inari-taisha
  23. Category:Sessha and massha of Hetsu-gu, Munakata-taisha
  24. Category:Sessha and Massha of Hiko Shrine
  25. Category:Sessha and massha of Hikosan Jingū
  26. Category:Sessha and massha of Hinomisaki Shrine
  27. Category:Sessha and Massha of Hirota-jinja
  28. Category:Sessha and massha of Ichinomiya Asama-jinja
  29. Category:Sessha and massha of Ichinomiya Nukisaki-jinja
  30. Category:Sessha and Massha of Ikuta-jinja
  31. Category:Sessha and massha of Isonokami Shrine
  32. Category:Sessha and massha of Itsukushima Shinto Shrine
  33. Category:Sessha and massha of Iwashimizu Hachimangu
  34. Category:Sessha and massha of Izanagi-jingu
  35. Category:Sessha and Massha of Izumo Taisha
  36. Category:Sessha and massha of Izumo-daijingū
  37. Category:Sessha and massha of Kagoshima-jingu
  38. Category:Sessha and massha of Kanda-Myojin
  39. Category:Sessha and Massha of Kehi-jingu
  40. Category:Sessha and massha of Kibitsu Jinja
  41. Category:Sessha and massha of Kibitsu-jinja (Fukuyama)
  42. Category:Sessha and massha of Kitano Tenman-gū
  43. Category:Sessha and massha of Kono-jinja (Miyazu)
  44. Category:Sessha and massha of Kotohira Gu
  45. Category:Sessha and massha of Masumida-jinja
  46. Category:Sessha and massha of Nakatsu-gu, Munakata-taisha
  47. Category:Sessha and massha of Sannōgū-Hiyoshi-jinja
  48. Category:Sessha and massha of Shimogamo-jinja
  49. Category:Sessha and Massha of Sumiyoshi Taisha
  50. Category:Sessha and Massha of Sumiyoshi-jinja (Fukuoka)
  51. Category:Sessha and massha of Tado Shrine
  52. Category:Sessha and massha of Taga-taisha
  53. Category:Sessha and massha of Tamura-jinja (Takamatsu)
  54. Category:Sessha and massha of Tosa-jinja
  55. Category:Sessha and massha of Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū
  56. Category:Sessha and massha of Umenomiya Taisha
  57. Category:Sessha and massha of Umi Hachimangū
  58. Category:Sessha and massha of Usa Shrine
  59. Category:Sessha and massha of Utsunomiya Futaarayama-jinja
  60. Category:Sessha and massha of Yasaka-jinja (Kyoto)
  61. Category:Sessha and massha of Yoshida Shrine
  62. Category:Sessha and massha of Ōasahiko-jinja
  63. Category:Sessha and Massha of Ōmiwa-jinja
  64. Category:Sessha and massha of Ōyamazumi-jinja
  65. Category:Setsumatsusha Yohaijo, Suwa Taisha Kamisha Honmiya
  66. Category:Keidai-sha
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 22:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only recently created the category, but the subcategories were in existence for a very long time. Independently created for each of these 64 shrines without any coordination about common naming. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 22:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saigen Jiro and @Aiaiaiaiaia seem to have made the bulk of these categories Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 02:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clusternote you recently linked Category:Keidai-sha in Setsumatsusha. Do you think it should be merged with this one Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 03:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Immanuelle: the intention of the {{See also category}} on that page is not the proposal of merge, but the indication of another classification axis {Keidai-sha, Keigai-sha};
Note: By the combination of that pair and the {Sessha, Massha} pair, logically every media could be potentially categorized into four sub-categories, i.e. {Keidai-Sessha, Keidai-Massha, Keigai-Sessha, Keigai-Massha}. Practically, however, it may be hard to categorize every media into these four, in my opinion. Clusternote (talk) 21:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clusternote I do not know what Keidai-sha and Keigai-sha are. How does the axis of categorization work? If the distinction is as hard to do as Sessha and Massha then it might be worth merging all 4 into one category. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:53, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Immanuelle: Sorry for my late response. I think that any media possibly sub-categorized to above four could be categorized under the generic-category Setsumatsusha (or Sessha and Massha). Several media about Keidai-sha can be found by keyword search "境内社", and Keigai-sha by "境外社", so I've categorized that pair earlier. On the other hand, the distinction of Sessha (摂社) / Massha (末社) may be hard task because it may possibly need the verification of reliable sources (for verifying the merging history of shrines, we need not only the official information (ex. jinja-net.jp and JinjaHoncho) but also the local history materials), and the sub-categorzation of above four sub-categories may be farther hard. --Clusternote (talk) 03:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clusternote I am trying to get this relisted. Do you have any further suggestions? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 05:47, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
[Question] Immanuelle says "setsumatsusha", but is it a typo for "setsumassha"? In Japanese newspapers[1], websites[2][3] and the Shinto shrines[4][5][6][7], it is written as "setsumassha". Of course, it is sometimes called "setsumatsusha". However, it is generally called "setsumassha". Why is the name of this category "setsumatsusha"?--国民の文化の振興も第一 (talk) 11:50, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't speak on if this is true. But if we actually did my proposed move this question would not be relevant. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 13:27, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ↑ "津島神社かいわい――門前町の面影いまも", 朝日新聞デジタル：津島神社かいわい　門前町の面影いまも - 愛知 - 地域, Asahi Shimbun, February 1, 2016.
  2. ↑ "近世森の宗教", 25 近世森の宗教／静岡県森町, Mori Town Office, March 5, 2019.
  3. ↑ "摂末社", 九州の神社：福岡県・伊野天照皇大神宮（久山町）, Nakaima Kikaku.
  4. ↑ "大原神社御創建九百年――御奉賛概要", 大原神社御創建九百年に向けて御奉賛のお願い | 【公式】ご縁結びの大原神社, Ōhara Jinja.
  5. ↑ "射水神社の神々――摂末社", 射水神社の神々－摂末社－ | 越中総鎮守一宮 射水神社越中総鎮守一宮 射水神社, Etchū Sōchinju Imizu Jinja.
  6. ↑ "境内摂末社", 日吉神社について | 清洲山王宮日吉神社, Hiyoshi Jinja.
  7. ↑ "卯月", 上賀茂神社のひととせ | 賀茂別雷神社（上賀茂神社：かみがもじんじゃ）公式Webサイト, Kamo Wakeikazuchi Jinja.
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